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- a [[group]].
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- #pull [[social coop]]
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- [[framadate]] https://framadate.org/social-coop-tech-group
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- now replaced by built-in [[loomio]] feature
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- [[meet]] https://socialcoop.meet.coop/dav-y3e-c21-sgv
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- [[minutes]] https://www.loomio.org/d/UwAeiBgE/tech-meeting-minutes
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- [[thread]] https://social.coop/web/statuses/108090642475540439
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- #push [[do]]
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- help [[derek kozel]] (open chatroom) try to recover his account
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- https://discourse.joinmastodon.org/t/is-it-possible-to-restore-a-deleted-user-account/1945
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- meet on [[2022-05-20]] 3pm utc
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- meet on [[2022-05-27]] 5pm utc
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- [[2022-05-13]]
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- Attending:
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- [[akshay]]
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- [[neil]]
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- [[noah]] == [[redoak]]
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- [[eduardo]] == [[flancian]]
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- [[nick]] == [[nick sellen]]
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- [[will]] == [[datatitian]]
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- round the table catching up :)
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- [[neil]] first time in one of the tech group meetings!
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- post work on a Friday -- nice to be here!
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- [[noah]] happy the group seems to be "revived"
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- [[akshay]] like a Saturday for me due to 80% time :)
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- [[neil]] +1 here, but not off today
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- been doing it for a year
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- [[[noah]]] freelance, working four days a week
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- Fridays are [[disco coop]] / passion projects
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- Let's meet in [[immers space]] ;)
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- [[nick]] here :)
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- let's seed a potential agenda?
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- [[noah]] what was discussed at the last meeting?
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- https://anagora.org/social-coop-tech-group -> https://www.loomio.org/d/UwAeiBgE/tech-meeting-minutes
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- [[nick]] handing over the keys, how to be able to disengage before the next meeting
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- if we have root in social.coop, what else do we need to get full access to all resources?
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- [[nick]] there's also the password repository, which is based on gpg keys
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- [[noah]] adding people to the pass repo is maybe the one thing where we surely need nick the most
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- [[nick]] can add Eduardo to the pass repo
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- it requires re-encrypting with all keys
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- need to find the notes on how to do this
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- [[akshay]] is it worth storing in the repo itself how to do this?
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- +1
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- we are pretty confident all credentials are in the pass repo, at least in the past 2-3y everything has been there
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- there is a lingering domain registration issue
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- we need to look up the name of the person responsible
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- [[nick]] enric duran (sp?)
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- there was discussion of transferring
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- -> let's find the loomio thread, there was a proposal for where to transfer to https://www.loomio.org/d/Jf5Wi4Ph/domain-expired-social-coop-down
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- [[noah]] it would ideally be transferred to a collective entity?
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- probably want to discuss with other working groups
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- [[akshay]] do we keep track of what we have credentials for?
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- [[noah]] no separate source except for the pass repo
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- in short:
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- admin account in the instance
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- hetzner
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- digital ocean for static storage
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- login for email aliases which is required for git access
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- we could agree on a time slot and then do some coworking on the pass repo
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- next week 2h earlier? 4pm London
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- [[nick]] make sure you have an email alias asap so you can access the git repo so you can do, well, other stuff :)
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- noah, nick, david have access
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- welcome GiacomoSansoni!
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- newbie here!
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- don't know much about tech (yet)
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- willing to learn
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- [flancian] focus areas / learning exercises
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- mastodon instance (currently on docker)
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- who does moderation?
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- there is a moderation group, [[community working group]] does it
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- [[neil]] is there anything that the tech working group does with registrations?
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- [[noah]] the wiki runs alongside the mastodon deployment and supports the process
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- [flancian] why do we do it this way instead of letting people join (with approval) and then following up?
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- [[noah]] there's the requirement of joining the open collective first, but there is potential for streamlining as long as we have energy in driving :)
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- [flancian] interested, would like to try to bring this up as a possible improvement -- in particular if we want to make it easier to onboard/grow more
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- [[neil]] there was discussion about improving the process in the strategy session
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- [[nick]] there's only one field in registration and that was considered a blocker
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- [[akshay]] it seems like mastodon in general could benefit from this
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- +1
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- backups and restores
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- secondary server?
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- [[nick]] there was some effort previously some time ago (https://git.coop/social.coop/tech/ansible/-/merge_requests/12 - although it's more about an instance for testing upgrades, but same principle for restores)
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- one of the complications was to try to bring up a new instance which isn't federating, which could mess up the fediverse
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- there's a merge request in git
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- nicks didn't reach agreement
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- wu lee (sp?)
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- new services
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- has this been brought up?
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- [[noah]] one of the old meeting minutes has ideas on this front: https://www.loomio.org/d/UwAeiBgE/tech-meeting-minutes/35
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- the obstacle is procedural + organizational: something that enough people want, are willing to have some workload for them
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- [[akshay]] instance customization
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- is there interest?
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- [[noah]] some people are definitely interested
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- [[noah]] putting together a survey in general would be useful for both gauging this and interest in new services
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- [[akshay]] themes would also be nice
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- [[nick]] there was -some- customization previously but it might have been ripped out to lower maintenance cost
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- [[neil]] in the strategy sessions people mentioned [[hometown]], main feature that was desired seemed to be local only timeline
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- [[noah]] there is some risk associated with the switch, but it shouldn't be a very involved process. [[hometown]] keeps up with mastodon pretty regularly.
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- [[darius]] is active in the fediverse and could maybe help out
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- [[nick]] deployed a hometown instance rencetly, used [[coop cloud]] for it. setting up a parallel second setup might be a good idea. https://coopcloud.tech/
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- [flancian] is there consensus on whether the community wants that?
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- [[neil]] no consensus, just has been brought up a few times
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- [[nick]] as a user, likes the concept but it adds a bit more complexity to the already relatively complex mastodon post visibility options. third party apps don't support it. it works maybe better for technology-engaged communities.
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- [[noah]] has an alt on dads.cool and it's pretty nice, but it makes sense in the context of that server
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- [will/datatitian] it's good for complaining among other coopers :)
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- (breaking here until next time)
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- [flancian] maintenance pending
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- [flancian] engagement with other working groups
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- -> could be related/linked to a solution to gender imbalance/diversity
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- [[neil]] steps for onboarding new tech WG members
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- might be linked to focus areas
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- [flancian] documentation sources of truth, do we have too many? do we share enough with other working groups?
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- checkout round
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- [[GiacomoSansoni]]: on customization, could be just put things to a vote on loomio one by one?
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- +1, this sounds like a good idea
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- send a notification to everybody on the instance requesting a proposal?
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- [[noah]] signing off, nice to see you!
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- [[nick]] glad I joined, climbed out of bed, now need to eat dinner :)
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- enjoyed it more than I thought!
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- [flancian] +1
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- [[neil]] nice to put faces to handles :)
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- +1
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- nice to get a start on how the meeting is run, looking forward to next Friday!
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- [[akshay]] was looking forward to the meeting and enjoyed it, see you next Friday :)
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- this being the second meeting it feels like the start of something
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- [[2022-04-08]]
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- Hi all :)
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- Let's try to keep communal notes here?
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- [[nick]] == [[nick sellen]] got involved in social.coop during a crisis long ago
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- saved it from going offline, stabilized for a bit
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- then david and noah came onboard
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- not very active in the instance as of late
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- periodic emergencies
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- certificate renewal
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- trying to empower others to join in, but don't have capacity for being really active again for now
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- in the UK (Bath)
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- side note: [[gender imbalance]] here pretty obvious
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- (what do we do about this?)
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- [[akshay]] been on social.coop for ~1y
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- mostly lurking :)
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- saw the certificate thing happen, thought maybe I can help
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- ops + software development experience
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- based in [[Berlin]], originally from [[India]]
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- [[idmyn]] == David
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- being in the instance for ~4y
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- joined around the same time the nicks rescued the instance
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- based in UK
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- doing some tech bits with [[Noah]] for a while, then dropped off -- mostly here to offer any knowledge that is singly homed in brain :)
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- focus areas:
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- [[wiki]]
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- [[meet.coop]] registration form in the wiki
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- [[flancian]] == [[Eduardo]]
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- living in [[switzerland]]
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- joined a couple of years ago, but not that involved until recently
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- when recent cert issue happened felt rusty but perhaps they could help out
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- SRE recently, linux experience
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- not sure if recent experience is relevant but willing to learn!
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- [[edsu]] == ed summers
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- been around for ~4y
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- use the instance quite a bit, notice when it goes down -- thank you nick for bringing it back every time!
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- is invested so would love to know more, learn
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- software developer background, mostly web. working mainly with libraries (in the organization sense) which have digital repositories and a web presence.
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- love the idea of pitching in to help and this group being a coop.
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- [[datatitian]] == Will
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- joined in 2017
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- got involved with the tech group back then but didn't have a lot of specific experience; now would be interested in trying again
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- working on immers.space which is activitypub based
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- [[nick sellen]] love how the recent disruption has served to get people together, shows how as long as we have fundamental organization we can channel energy in the right direction :)
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- [[nick sellen]] server access
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- there's a thread on loomio to decide who gets server access, we can use that
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- https://www.loomio.org/d/jrbG5tue/server-access
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- we'd vote people in for access and then people can request assistance/more information as needed
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- [[nick sellen]]
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- love the coworking/colearning model
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- really enjoyed learning about the background of others just now
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- [[flancian]] is there a 'root node' for tech docs/etc.?
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- [[nick sellen]] https://git.coop/social.coop/tech/operations
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- assumes social.coop email addresses, but this can be worked around with aliases (check)
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- we use [[pass]]
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- [[flancian]] I see we have one server -- do we have a backup server? do we have backup+restore processes?
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- [[david]] we have database backups but unclear when they have been tested
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- [[flancian]] what about using this as an exercise in which the "new wave" of admins is tasked with setting up a new server off backups and such?
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- [[akshay]] what's this [[sauce]] repo mentioned?
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- [[nick sellen]] the other nick named it after 'special sauce'
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- in principle it could be all consolidated into ansible
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- [[docker compose]] setup
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- the update process involves touching the sauce repo which then somehow results in updates configs making it to prod
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- [[akshay]] love automation, been doing this for the past few years for employers
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- [[datatitian]] thinking of oncall schedules for the group -- need not be too granular
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- [[flancian]] +1, plus having a secondary/backup would make for a simplified learning experience
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- [[edsu]] would love to join a rotation
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- [[edsu]] the instance feels pretty stable though, it's a challenge when problems only come about too sporadically
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- [[edsu]] perhaps other working groups within the coop might be interested in other tools we could provide for them?
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- [[datatitian]] there's been a long term interest in bridging loomio and mastodon
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- [[edsu]] issue tracker for FRs?
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- [[flancian]] [[git.coop]]?
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- [[akshay]] if access to git.coop is limited, that would be a bit exclusive
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- [[edsu]] loomio might also be a good platform for this
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- [[nick sellen]] love the idea about building bridges -- and the oncall sharing
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- [[edsu]] how did you notice the recent instance problem?
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- [[nick sellen]] I do use it often enough :) also keep up to date with matrix.
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- (wrap up round)
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- [[nick sellen]] happy with this meet, would like to support everyone any way I can
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- next steps: next call next week
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- happy to receive more questions over matrix/mastodon/loomio
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- [[akshay]] already have a git.coop account, would like access to ansible/sauce if possible to see how this works :)
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- [[david]] happy to see new and familiar faces!
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- won't be able to make the other call but will stay reachable and happy to answer questions and assist
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- [[flancian]] thank you for social.coop! happy to meet you all
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- will read docs, think about where to focus
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- please feel free to pull me in if you need work on any particular direction
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- [[edsu]] happy to meet all, would love to learn more about side projects that people have here
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- would like to learn more about mastodon
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- do have a git.coop account already, will take a look -- have used ansible before
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- will tune in next week
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- [[datatitian]] will start coordinating on loomio focusing on the oncall schedule
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- [[flancian]] framadate: https://framadate.org/social-coop-tech-group
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- (this is also on https://anagora.org/social-coop-tech-group, where I keep my notes)
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- [[akshay]] how to join in loomio?
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- (people apply)
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