garden/dan-whaley.md

Dan Whaley

• A [person].
• [twitter] twitter.com/dwhley
• Drove from California to Argentina. 2003.
• canaryinacoalmine.org. One year!

[2020-12-23]

• readwise [notion] [roam]
  • There seem to be many pipelines involving these and [hypothes.is]
• 2021 [goals]
  • integration mvp
    • Assemble a 'small team' of interested open source devs or keep it in a small group?
    • Dan: probably use one of the following strategies
      • bat signal
      • known devs
      • upwork
  • See paper notebook.

[2020-12-11]

Agenda

• [wikilinks everywhere]
  • Clients
  • Use cases
  • [browser-extension]
• Next steps for interop/protocol -- different from the above? Convergent?
• Out there question

Notes

• 22 people now in the company!
• Raising money
• Skunk works
• Youtube annotator
  • docdrop
  • What about integrating this into the [agora]?
• [athens] story
  • joined the beta
  • great for single-user use cases
  • but doesn't go after collaboration, publishing, web
• [fedwiki] seems to be the closest thing to the agora
  • check out the wednesday calls
• react (a module) could be another frontend to the agora
  • review preact is the new kind
• would love to experiment to [hypothes.is]
  • hypagora: a fork/branch
• [underlay]
  • seemed like it was more about structured representation
  • agora is more like folksonomy

[2020-10-09]

Questions

• Journey to understand the broad frame.
  • There is a movement in humanity towards networked thinking.
  • The book -> the telephone -> the web.
  • What's next? There's another step coming. The beginning of truly coordinated semantic thinking.
  • Dan believes that the note taking paradigm with wiki links is a key part of this journey but it needs an ingredient.
    • Standards.
    • Open coordination.
    • Federation.
  • Annotation is the edge. An event horizon.
    • The ability to coordinate between clients that live at the edge is key.
    • Does not yet have the power of the wiki link.
  • Notion/Roam are not yet unlocking the full human potential.
    • Dan is on a journey to find what are the essential components.
  • Open questions: groups, groups permissions.
  • Hypothesis gets tweeted at by people who are using their tools in new ways.
• John Gilmore.
  • Local cyberpunk guy, founder of Sun Microsystems.
  • Lots of different annotation services; how do you know which annotation services have annotations with a page?
  • Similar problem to go link authorities.
  • DHT.
• Del.ic.ious.

Backlinks

• Some people think that the fact that backlinks were absent in the original web was part of what let it grow.

Risks

• What if in the future you can't just run a server in your closet?
• W3C
  • Hypothes.is is part of it
  • Tim Berners Lee holds it together.
  • Community group -> working group
  • [Ivan Herman]
    • Senior staff at W3C
  • Community group is outside the W3C, but blessed. Build a community, clear plan. Then you're invited to a working group.
• Browser vendors consortium (name?)
  • Conveniently outside the W3C.

Todo

• [Annotation standard]: read it
  • Data model
    • JSON/RDF: elements that needs to make up an annotation
  • Protocol
    • Rest
  • Vocabulary
    • What are the concepts in this space.

One idea

• A discrete component.
• Glorified markdown editors.
• Hypothes.is -> readwise -> Roam
  • Hypothes.is as a SGK client
  • Standards compliant wiki service

Social Networks

• Dan agrees that most of the activity is socially beneficial.
• People still think of these networks as being apart from themselves. But the network is the organism.

Topics

• Tagging.
  • [Everything2].com.
• Open source versions of projects.
  • Athens.
  • Truly networked paradigm?
• Loose coupling / loose integration.
• My view: personal gardens are what get a critical mass. It needs to be independent.