diff --git a/commons.md b/commons.md
index 9ddc4ad78..2ad6b2a1c 100644
--- a/commons.md
+++ b/commons.md
@@ -5,7 +5,25 @@
 	- [[neil]]
   	- > beyond [[market]] and [[state]]
 			- I sometimes think of them as [[embedding]] and thus potentially [[regulating]] markets.
-		- recommended [[free, fair and alive]], it's great.
-			- [[social organisms]]
-			- about [[sharing]] plus creating systems that produce [[shareable things]]
+		- recommended [[free, fair and alive]], it's great. from his notes below:
+			- [[commons]] are [[social organisms]], [[social systems]], [[social forms]]
+			- a [[commons]] is not only about [[sharing]] but about creating [[systems]] that produce [[shareable things]]
+			- they enable [[self organized problem solving]]
+				- through social processes that build on the sharing of knowledge and physical resources
+			- they are [[spaces]] that are born out of the impulse to [[help others]]
+			- they bring together solutions to social, political and economic challenges into an integrated whole
+		- [[pull]] [[commoning]] [[ontology]]
+	- [[vera]] (from wiki)
+  	- "The commons is the cultural and natural [[resources]] [[accessible to all]] members of a society, including natural materials such as air, water, and a habitable earth. These resources are held in common, [[not owned privately]]."
+		- [[pragmatix]]
+		- [[garrett hardin]]
+  		- [[1968]] [[the tragedy of the commons]] 
+				- [[1833]] [[william forster lloyd]] herders overusing land
+				- [[tragedy of the fishers]]
+			- [[frank van laerhoven]] and [[elinor ostrom]]: Hardin essentially invented the term commons
+		- of course Ostrom's work shows there are ways to avert this tragedy all around us
+		- in Britain, land [[enclosure]] worked over centuries to erode the commons
+		- [[peter barnes]] [[sky trust]]
+- a [[list]].
 	- this [[agora]] is a [[digital commons]].
+	- add items by pushing here or writing in the [[stoa]] below.