diff --git a/agora-plan.md b/agora-plan.md
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--- a/agora-plan.md
+++ b/agora-plan.md
@@ -22,6 +22,7 @@ This page is about both, although it's probably going to be [[Agora Server]] hea
  - [x] [[pen-coded]]: https://github.com/KGBicheno/KGB_Agora
  - [ ] likely [[arghzero]]
  - [ ] likely [[solomon naim]]
+ - [ ] what about all of the ones licensed appropriately listed in [[kasper zutterman]]'s [[second brain]] list? https://github.com/KasperZutterman/Second-Brain
 
 ## Integrations
 - [[agora-go-links-integration]]
diff --git a/journal/2020-11-18.md b/journal/2020-11-18.md
index 9d623e677..f2f276703 100644
--- a/journal/2020-11-18.md
+++ b/journal/2020-11-18.md
@@ -5,10 +5,14 @@
  - Fill in [[social knowledge graphs]] discussion doc. skgdoc.
  - The [[stoa]] is feeling more and more like a [[wiki]] all the time.
  - TIL that [[Neil Harbisson]] and [[Moon Ribas]] communicate via bluetooth-enabled vibrators in their teeth.
+ - Should work on [[roam likes]]
+   - Add [[logseq]], [[vimwiki]], [[org roam]].
+- Ran into a [[digital garden]]: https://braindump.jethro.dev/
 
 [//begin]: # "Autogenerated link references for markdown compatibility"
 [eionrobb]: ../eionrobb "Eionrobb"
 [pidgin]: ../pidgin "Pidgin"
 [covid-19]: ../covid-19 "Covid 19"
 [stoa]: ../stoa "Stoa"
+[logseq]: ../logseq "Logseq"
 [//end]: # "Autogenerated link references"
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diff --git a/journal/2020-11-19.md b/journal/2020-11-19.md
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+# 2020-11-19
+
+- [[daily]]
+- Review [[2020-11-18]].
+- Found a great list of [[second brain]]s: https://github.com/KasperZutterman/Second-Brain
+
+## Planned
+
+- Fill in [[social knowledge graphs]] discussion doc. skgdoc.
+- Should work on [[roam likes]]
+   - Add [[logseq]], [[vimwiki]], [[org roam]].
diff --git a/roam-likes.md b/roam-likes.md
index 3354b9a4c..2cc43751f 100644
--- a/roam-likes.md
+++ b/roam-likes.md
@@ -1,2 +1,11 @@
 # Roam Likes
 
+- A blog post on flancia.org.
+- [[go]] flancia.org/mine/roam-likes
+- [ ] Should add: [[remnote]], [[logseq]], [[vimwiki]], [[org roam]].
+
+
+[//begin]: # "Autogenerated link references for markdown compatibility"
+[go]: go "Go"
+[logseq]: logseq "Logseq"
+[//end]: # "Autogenerated link references"
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diff --git a/second-brain.md b/second-brain.md
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+# Second Brain
+
+- Perhaps a synonym of [[digital garden]]?
+- But might imply extra transparency/thoroughness. Unsure.
+- This is a great list by [[kasper zutterman]]: https://github.com/KasperZutterman/Second-Brain
+  - Many of these could be added to the Agora! -> [[agora plan]].
+