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# Jeff Tang
- Q: What do you need?
- Let's talk more!
- Q: would publishing Athens to web be useful? Agora
- wikilinks with brackets, broadcast to all digital gardens participating
- Q: How does [[Athens]] fit in the wider ecosystem?
- A: unfortunately not lots of collaboration.
- A: some chats with [[Foam]] and [[logseq]]. logseq have the most in common; they use clojurescript/datascript.
- A: it's probably too hard to merge projects or come up with a shared vision.
- A: coordination cost is high. Expected value is not very high in the immediate. We are all trying to be successful, then
- A coordination problem
- Civilization suffers from it. We need to believe that it can be solved, but it's unclear how to go about it.
- Most recent examples of successful standards come from crypto. In the crypto space you have open protocols, a few companies work exclusively on exchanges and interop.
- W3C standard: would you be happy if that happened?
- Jeff: Yes! But does everyone want that? Coordination again.
- [[logseq]] started one month before [[Athens]]; similar number of contributors. Wanted to partner with them, we had an agreement. First a standard, then perhaps even merging; we had similar visions, were using similar technologies.
- Coordinating was considered too difficult in the end at this stage.
- Hub-like standard? Periphery. Hypothesis: multiplayer is key. Hub provides multiplayer, a social graph.
- Beautiful but very idealistic.
- A: I'm also very pragmatic though.
- Social knowledge graphs
- Look up: [[Nate Liason]] -- "effortless output in Roam". More for beginners.
- He has published his brain: https://www.nateliason.com/brain
## TODO
- Read about [[Nate Liason]]
- Check out [[logseq]]
- Work on [[agora-protocol]]
[//begin]: # "Autogenerated link references for markdown compatibility"
[Athens]: athens "Athens"
[Foam]: foam "Foam"
[agora-protocol]: agora-protocol "Agora Protocol"
[//end]: # "Autogenerated link references"