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   - Distributed activism
   - Privilege
   - Companies as a mirror society
+- Flancia is evocative of an Italian place
 
 ## 2020-11-27
 
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     - inspired by [[google walkout]]
     - main objective: raising [[awareness]], helps others become aware
   - movement wounded by [[pandemic]] 
+- On our respective approaches:
+  - Difference in orientation: [[place]] vs [[people]].
+  - Key levers/key to unlock futures:
+    - [[james baker]] people, dynamics of small teams and small groups, low level social systems.
+      - Examples: church groups, social organizations, clubs. Organizations where people find belonging.
+      - This is the [[kernel]] of what James is trying to engineer.
+      - Practice oriented.
+    - [[flancian]] place oriented. People in a different system with different rules, but starting from a place or system or tooling or structure. 
+
+## Collaboration opportunities
+
+- Group building + stoas
+- Index of related projects and interested people
+  - [[michael ocean]]
+  - Others go here
 
 ## Q&A
+
 - What's your opinion w.r.t. [[union]]s?
   - Complicated. Logical counterbalancing force: collective power vs corporate power. But it seems, as far as structures go, to be trapped in a local minimum.
   - Global optimum lies elsewhere; rather than counterbalancing, how could we dissolve the need for poles?
     - Perhaps we should have user, data unions. More cooperatives.
+- What is your current focus?
+  - Opening up to allies and contributors within the next month or so.
+  - Interest group, might meet every N weeks.
+  - Co-creation, shared ownership. Looking for diverse perspectives.
+  - Meta and object level: let's design it and live it.
+  - Goal: an independent organization working on building pieces/rings of structure within 1y.
+  - "Who wants to join"
+    - There's an evolving community interested in the meta
+    - Sort of like [[game b]], but feels a bit different
+      - [[game b]] has the concept of parasitism (of [[game a]])
+    - [[flancian]] also [[rationalism]], [[effective altruism]]
+- Note taking?
+  - A bit, not too much
+  - About the current [[Agora]]
+- Funding/revenue models
+  - Companies on the side
+    - What's the "edge"?
+      - Could be agility/nimbleness
+- [[social network]]s as venues for intentional society
+  - [[james baker]] started in this direction some years ago, then moved interests to below-[[dunbar limit]] to bootstrap.
+
 
 
 
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 [person]: person "Person"
 [twitter]: twitter "Twitter"
 [go]: go "Go"
+[place]: place "Place"
+[james-baker]: james-baker "James Baker"
+[flancian]: flancian "Flancian"
+[effective-altruism]: effective-altruism "Effective Altruism"
+[agora]: agora "Agora"
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